tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7744143356678453071.post2227130231780044145..comments2024-03-29T01:37:43.288-05:00Comments on Science Decoded: Defining & Finding the Higgs Boson ParticleAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10615368861635447747noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7744143356678453071.post-38870345524040182272011-12-02T11:52:33.230-06:002011-12-02T11:52:33.230-06:00Hi Erin,
The latest Boson News seem to be:
"...Hi Erin,<br />The latest Boson News seem to be:<br /><br />"The runup to Christmas looks exciting for the Large Hadron Collider at Cern near Geneva. Staff at the laboratory have arranged a special seminar on Tuesday 13 December at which the latest results in the search for the Higgs boson will be made public... John Ellis, a theoretical physicist at King's College London, who in 1976 wrote the first paper on how to find the Higgs boson, says that if the particle exists in the simple form invoked by the Standard Model (the set of equations that describe how known particles interact) it should start to show up in their data, but probably not strongly enough for them to claim a discovery. If the elusive boson is a mirage, the scientists should be able to rule it out completely. All of this is contingent on their having analysed every last bit of their data, though, and that is unlikely."<br /><br />Scientists (using primarily two methods - mathematics and physical observation - seem to have made little progress in finding an actual 'existing' particle. My confidence that the problem can be solved philosophically (and not by means of the existing scientific method) is growing by the day. But even within the field of the philosophy of science, my approach would be a minority approach, as most contemporary philosophy of science has been channeled (like a bad omen or false prophecy) through the annals of 'analytical philosophy'. In some areas of philosophy, one can find on rare occasions the descriptions of entities, mostly rational entities - not physical ones, that fit the features of the Higgs particle. Such entities of reason (abstracted conceptions included) are, in essence, defined Formally, not Essentially or Substantively - they act and function (and can perhaps be shown to exist necessarily by mathematical means) but they do not leave a Substantive footprint, which means that their 'presence' in the field does not add another substance or existent (another physical object)to the field, though their presence is felt due to their function in the field (see the case in hand). This approach has existed since before Plato, but in the world of philosophy it has little influence these days, especially since 20th century philosophical enquiry has been founded for the most part on mathematical terminology (see Predicate Logic)and little room has been left for this other method, which surprisingly allows us to define various entities that 'must' exist, but cannot be 'found' in the visual or physical field - such as the Higgs boson or the cherished abstracted conceptions on which our moral and political systems are based. <br /><br />Perhaps it is time for me to put a more detailed explanation of what has become so clear to me in book form. It could be of help to the frustrated people at CERN. Imagine their surprise when they find out that instead of the huge machine they have built in order to 'find' the Higgs boson, they could have financed the few thousand dollars it took me to study for my Ph.d in philosophy. So much to do, so little time.Bennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7744143356678453071.post-885748213827828672011-07-15T06:37:51.216-05:002011-07-15T06:37:51.216-05:00Thanks so much for the comment Ben! I hadn't r...Thanks so much for the comment Ben! I hadn't really thought about what was making me (and other writers) struggle to define the Higgs in that way before, but I think you've really hit on an important issue.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10615368861635447747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7744143356678453071.post-33198829688338034672011-07-12T17:04:00.259-05:002011-07-12T17:04:00.259-05:00Dear Erin,
Your criticism of the BBc piece is jus...Dear Erin,<br /><br />Your criticism of the BBc piece is just about right. I came across an interview with Peter Higgs himself on the subject of the Higgs Boson, and I learned a lot from it. <br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw0iRW2hoC4&feature=related<br /><br />The question of the existence of the Higgs boson is fascinating for me, for reasons other than an interest in Physics. My interest lies in philosophy, and in the course of my studies I have learned to recognize the difference between defining an object in terms of its existence and defining it in terms of its meaning (primarily the object's name and the way the name is used in discourse). <br /><br />when dealing with solid objects (and we assume, perhaps, foolishly, that the objects of science are solid) defining them in terms of their substance or existence can be relatively easy. But when we try an define abstracted conceptions (such as Justice, for example) the terms of substance and existence fail us. In a similar way, when we try, as do the scientists as CERN, to define the Higgs boson in terms of its substance or existence - when we try to prove that it exists - we may be barking up the wrong tree, as the Higgs - a particle that possibly affects other particles in respect of mass (substance) may, in itself, not have mass, and therefore would not be defined by the use of substantive terms.<br /><br />The insistence of scientists to reduce the wonders of human multidimensional existence (both spirit and body) to a pile of substances defined solely in terms of their substantive existence, seem to have hit a wall, with the recent efforts to prove the existence of the Higgs boson, as the particle seems to have a significant role in the physical world, but fails to register as a physical discernible entity in itself.Bennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7744143356678453071.post-17168437653680963232011-03-06T21:48:21.516-06:002011-03-06T21:48:21.516-06:00I really liked your breakdown of how this piece of...I really liked your breakdown of how this piece of science writing could have been better - a good awareness piece for those unfamiliar with science writing. That article is definitely a good example for why it's important for writers to understand how the public understands (or doesn't understand) science. Well done!Jenny Seiferthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14787645896595766946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7744143356678453071.post-61668022912714240422011-02-28T18:55:19.542-06:002011-02-28T18:55:19.542-06:00Thanks for the comment, I hope I got the explanati...Thanks for the comment, I hope I got the explanations of the LHC and the Higgs right, it is pretty complex stuff (especially if you've never taken physics like me) but I think it is a really interesting subject.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10615368861635447747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7744143356678453071.post-49178544194710006752011-02-28T18:37:06.180-06:002011-02-28T18:37:06.180-06:00Alright then, nice to see a physics post. I too ha...Alright then, nice to see a physics post. I too have a great deal of interest invested into the LHC. I got all starry-eyed during one of their talks at AAAS.<br /><br />I agree, that article needs to remember not everyone gets what they're doing. Especially something like the LHC should be reiterated.Eric Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15026307783633005368noreply@blogger.com